2012 qualifying championship
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- 25th May 2012, 8:47 at 8:47 am #131451raymondu999Participant
This is just a little thing that I thought was interesting to do – just to see how people have faired in the races, vs in qualifying- ie do they live up to their quali performances? Do they move up? Do they move down? The race-based standings are in brackets
After Australia
Hamilton – 25 (15)
Button – 18 (25)
Grosjean – 15 (0)
Schumacher – 12 (0)
Webber – 10 (12)
Vettel – 8 (18)
Rosberg – 6 (0)
Maldonado – 4 (0)
Hulkenberg – 2 (0)
Ricciardo – 1 (2)
Alonso – 0 (10)
Kobayashi – 0 (8)
Raikkonen – 0 (6)
Perez – 0 (4)
di Resta – 0 (1)After Malaysia
Hamilton – 50 (30)
Button – 36 (25)
Schumacher – 27 (1)
Webber – 22 (24)
Grosjean – 21 (0)
Vettel – 16 (18)
Raikkonen – 10 (16)
Rosberg – 10 (0)
Maldonado – 4 (0)
Alonso – 2 (35)
Hulkenberg – 2 (2)
Perez – 1 (22)
Ricciardo – 1 (2)
Senna – 0 (8)
Kobayashi – 0 (8)
di Resta – 0 (7)
Vergne – 0 (4)After China
Hamilton – 68 (45)
Button – 44 (43)
Schumacher – 42 (1)
Rosberg – 35 (25)
Webber – 28 (36)
Grosjean – 22 (8)
Raikkonen – 20 (16)
Vettel – 16 (28)
Kobayashi – 12 (9)
Perez – 5 (22)
Alonso – 4 (37)
Maldonado – 4 (4)
Hulkenberg – 2 (2)
Ricciardo – 1 (2)
Senna – 0 (14)
di Resta – 0 (7)
Vergne – 0 (4)After Bahrain
Hamilton – 86 (49)
Button – 56 (43)
Rosberg – 45 (35)
Webber – 43 (48)
Schumacher – 42 (2)
Vettel – 41 (53)
Grosjean – 28 (23)
Raikkonen – 20 (34)
Kobayashi – 12 (9)
Perez – 9 (22)
Ricciardo – 9 (2)
Alonso – 6 (43)
Maldonado – 4 (4)
Hulkenberg – 2 (2)
Senna – 1 (14)
di Resta – 0 (15)
Vergne – 0 (4)
Massa – 0 (2)After Spain
Hamilton – 111 (53) (I count him as 25 as he qualified P1)
Button – 56 (45)
Rosberg – 51 (41)
Vettel – 45 (61)
Schumacher – 44 (2)
Webber – 43 (48)
Grosjean – 40 (35)
Raikkonen – 30 (49)
Maldonado – 22 (29)
Alonso – 21 (61)
Perez – 17 (22)
Kobayashi – 13 (19)
Ricciardo – 9 (2)
Hulkenberg – 2 (3)
Senna – 1 (14)
di Resta – 0 (15)
Vergne – 0 (4)
Massa – 0 (2)25th May 2012, 15:33 at 3:33 pm #202161TodfodParticipantInteresting… Just shows how good Alonso has been – 21 pts in quali but 61 in reality. Also how poor Schumacher has been 44 in quali and 2 reality
26th May 2012, 3:02 at 3:02 am #202162raymondu999ParticipantI don’t think it’s fair to apportion blame/credit to solely the driver. We need to factor in he team too for strategy, reliability, pitstops, etc.
Some cars are also qualifying specialists, some are race specialists. It’s not that clear cut
26th May 2012, 8:58 at 8:58 am #202163infernojimParticipantThis is quite interesting. The biggest thing it highlights is how badly Mclaren have failed to convert their raw pace advantage at the start of the season into a championship lead.
And now, they don’t have the raw pace advantage that the did in the first few races. I think that could be key come the end of the season.
Also shows what a stonking season Alonso has had so far.
And if you look at the teams, it’s a really accurate idea of how the season has gone.
Mclaren qualify strongly and then fade in the race.
Mercedes do the same
Ferrari qualify awfully and move forward in the race.
Red Bull qualify okay and move forward in the race.
Lotus are closest in terms of Qualifying and Race results, on balance moving a little forward in the race, but not having a great variation between their Quali and race pace. This points to them being one of the strongest teams on the grid at present.Sauber / Williams also highlight their race pace relative to their Quali form in these tables.
I hope that this continues, as it’s a really interesting idea, and quite revealing.
28th May 2012, 2:31 at 2:31 am #202164raymondu999ParticipantNote once more that I count qualifying performances and not the grid – ie Schumacher is credited 25 points here and not 8.
A new addition to the list is I’ve put up their “real” standings as a percentage of their “qualifying standings” except for those who have 0 qualifying points – I can’t be arsed to deal with the mathematics of that at the moment :P
Hamilton – 123 (63) – 51.2%
Schumacher – 69 (2) – 2.9%
Rosberg – 66 (59) – 89.4%
Button – 56 (45) – 80.4%
Webber – 61 (73) – 119.7%
Grosjean – 50 (35) – 70%
Vettel – 46 (73) – 158.7%
Raikkonen – 34 (51) – 150%
Alonso – 29 (76) – 262.1%
Maldonado – 24 (29) – 120.8%
Perez – 17 (22) – 129.4%
Kobayashi – 13 (19) – 146.2%
Ricciardo – 9 (2) – 22.2%
Massa – 6 (10) – 166.7%
Hulkenberg – 2 (7) – 350%
Senna – 1 (15) – 1500%
di Resta – 0 (21)
Vergne – 0 (4)Note that these numbers on their own don’t really prove anything, unless you’re a consistent Q3 runner. Sometimes-Q3-sometimes-not runners will inevitably skew the entire scale horribly in their favor such as Senna and Hulkenberg. Yes that includes Raikkonen for his out-of-order qualifying in Melbourne. The two outright quickest teams, it seems, are clearly McLaren and Mercedes, but they have not managed to make their advantage show.
28th May 2012, 16:47 at 4:47 pm #202165necrodethmortemParticipantIt feels wrong to me to compare qualifying and finishing positions the way you are doing. You should compare the grid positions, because now it looks like Hamilton has fallen back (even) more than he actually has.
29th May 2012, 1:52 at 1:52 am #202166raymondu999ParticipantIt’s not about how they move forward/backwards in the race – it’s about comparing their ultimate, balls-out pace against their race/championship results.
Right now amongst the top cars, Alonso, Vettel and Raikkonen stand out – at 262, 158 and 150 percents exactly. Raikkonen though made a Q1 exit and Q2 exit – the Q2 exit dealing him a golden hand for the race as it happened (4 new sets of tyres)
10th June 2012, 19:44 at 7:44 pm #202167raymondu999ParticipantAfter Canada
Hamilton – 141 (88) – 62.4%
Rosberg – 76 (67) – 88.2%
Webber – 73 (79) – 108.2%
Vettel – 71 (85) – 119.7%
Schumacher – 71 (2) – 2.8%
Button – 57 (45) – 78.9%
Grosjean – 56 (53) – 94.6%
Alonso – 44 (86) – 195.5%
Raikkonen – 34 (55) – 161.8%
Maldonado – 24 (29) – 120.8%
Perez – 17 (37) – 217.6%
Massa – 14 (11) – 78.6%
Kobayashi – 13 (21) – 161.5%
Ricciardo – 9 (2) – 22.2%
di Resta – 4 (21) – 525%
Hulkenberg – 2 (7) – 350%
Senna – 1 (15) – 1500%
Vergne – 0 (4)26th June 2012, 4:20 at 4:20 am #202168raymondu999ParticipantAfter Valencia. Reliability skews this one quite a bit out of Grosjean and Vettel’s favor…
Hamilton – 159 (88) – 55.3%
Vettel – 96 (85) – 88.5%
Rosberg – 84 (75) – 89.3%
Webber – 73 (91) – 124.7%
Schumacher – 71 (17) – 23.9%
Grosjean – 68 (53) – 77.9%
Button – 59 (49) – 83.1%
Alonso – 44 (111) – 252.3%
Raikkonen – 44 (73) – 165.9%
Maldonado – 39 (29) – 74.4%
Kobayashi – 19 (21) – 110.5%
Perez – 17 (39) – 229.4%
Massa – 14 (11) – 78.6%
Ricciardo – 9 (2) – 22.2%
Hulkenberg – 6 (17) – 283.3%
di Resta – 5 (27) – 540%
Senna – 1 (16) – 1600%
Vergne – 0 (4)26th June 2012, 5:36 at 5:36 am #202169the_sigmanParticipant@raymondu999 Fantastic job! Thank you!
26th June 2012, 5:38 at 5:38 am #202170raymondu999ParticipantThis was done in the morning, pre-coffee. So be nice if I have anything wrong :P
9th July 2012, 8:29 at 8:29 am #202171raymondu999ParticipantHamilton – 163 (92) – 56.4%
Vettel – 108 (100) – 92.6%
Webber – 91 (116) – 127.5%
Schumacher – 86 (23) – 26.7%
Rosberg – 84 (75) – 89.3%
Alonso – 69 (129) – 187.0%
Grosjean – 69 (61) – 88.4%
Button – 59 (50) – 84.7%
Raikkonen – 52 (83) – 159.6%
Maldonado – 45 (29) – 64.4%
Massa – 24 (23) – 95.8%
Kobayashi – 19 (21) – 110.5%
Perez – 17 (39) – 229.4%
Ricciardo – 9 (2) – 22.2%
Hulkenberg – 8 (17) – 212.5%
di Resta – 5 (27) – 540%
Senna – 1 (18) – 1800%
Vergne – 0 (4)22nd July 2012, 23:41 at 11:41 pm #202172raymondu999ParticipantAfter Hockenheim
Hamilton – 167 (92) – 55.1%
Vettel – 116 (110) – 94.8%
Webber – 106 (120) – 113.2%
Schumacher – 98 (29) – 29.6%
Alonso – 94 (154) – 163.8%
Rosberg – 84 (76) – 90.5%
Grosjean – 69 (61) – 88.4%
Button – 65 (68) – 104.6%
Raikkonen – 53 (98) – 184.9%
Maldonado – 53 (29) – 54.7%
Massa – 24 (23) – 95.8%
Kobayashi – 19 (33) – 173.7%
Hulkenberg – 18 (19) – 105.5%
Perez – 17 (47) – 276.4%
Ricciardo – 9 (2) – 22.2%
di Resta – 7 (27) – 385.7%
Senna – 1 (18) – 1800%
Vergne – 0 (4)23rd July 2012, 0:31 at 12:31 am #202173KingsharkParticipantWow, amazing how good Hamilton has been in qualifying this season. Shame he hasn’t been able to translate this into good race results due the Mclaren eating its tyres, poor race pace, unlucky misfortunes or Mclaren’s incompetence in the pits, or his own inability to perform as well in the race (no, I don’t entirely blame the team or car here).
23rd July 2012, 3:22 at 3:22 am #202174raymondu999Participant@Kingshark indeed. It’s amazing that despite not featuring in the quali shootout much recently he’s still dominating the qualifying championship.
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