Hamilton-Verstappen crash was ‘a racing incident, no danger’ – Alonso

2021 Italian Grand Prix

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Fernando Alonso played down the race-ending collision between Formula 1’s championship contenders on Sunday, describing it as a racing incident which involved no danger.

Images of Max Verstappen‘s right-rear wheel passing close to Lewis Hamilton’s crash helmet raised safety concerns. However Alonso believes the low speed of the crash meant less risk was involved compared to their previous collision at Silverstone’s high-speed Copse corner.

The stewards held Verstappen responsible for the collision and handed him a three-place grid penalty for the coming race. However Alonso described the crash as a “racing incident”.

“I just looked at the incident and it seems an unfortunate position and corner and kerb,” Alonso explained on Sunday evening at Monza. “The car jumps a little bit and they just touched tyre with tyre and the rubber makes one car [fly].

“But it’s low-speed, they are at 30 or 40kph, there is no danger, there is no nothing. So I don’t think that today was a big thing. Silverstone, probably yes, but today it was just a racing incident.”

Alonso pointed out several other drivers came close to having similar collisions during the weekend without the same outcome.

“I think Lewis tried to run in turn one to force, maybe, Max to cut the corner. Max doesn’t cut the corner, stay in the outside, but then there is no corner possible to make on the inside for turn two. They both they did what they should do and unfortunately they touched each other.

“I saw the replay of this start as well and Giovinazzi [and] Leclerc touched in the same way, Stroll and Perez they touched in the same way, turn one and two, but they didn’t touch wheel-to-wheel, rubber-to-rubber, tyre to tyre. So there is not the same outcome.

“But this is a very difficult manoeuvre, turn one, turn two and they’ve been unlucky that they touched tyre with tyre.”

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218 comments on “Hamilton-Verstappen crash was ‘a racing incident, no danger’ – Alonso”

  1. That is the first level headed response that I saw so far.

    1. You call it level headed because you either are a Max fan who doesn’t want to see that it was Max’ fault or you are just another anti Hamilton who agress with everybdoy who says it’s a raving incident.

      1. That’s an interesting response… Dare I ask if you’re a Hamilton / Mercedes fan?

        1. Coventry Climax
          15th September 2021, 0:00

          Wow, that’s a bold question to ask! ;-)

      2. Honestly, if a two-time world champion and current F1 racer says he considers it a racing incident, that definitely weighs more heavily than what any of us think about it.
        Personally, I think the stewards handed out a suitable penalty. They found Max more at fault, but a 3-place grid drop indicates they don’t think Max actively and willingly crashed somebody out. They just found him predominantly at fault, not wholly responsible and not actively dangerous.

        1. I semi agree, I think a 3 place penalty is too much when compared to what Lewis got at Silverstone, they just don’t add up to the same for the same. I think that is the biggest issue, the current rules around these sanctions just don’t balance.

          1. @malrg Isn’t a 3 place penalty the smallest they can award? What would you have done? (assuming not change to the “predominantly at fault” conclusion).

          2. @fluxsource – no the “predominantly at fault” I believe is correct, as it was at Silverstone, it is just the degree of punishment that is out of kilter (I my opionion), they could go with 1.2.3 place ETC, it really is up to them as they have imposed 1 spot penalties in the past.
            My gripe is with the imbalance of penalties making a bit of farce of the championships.
            NB! Every racing incident has a “predominantly at fault”.

          3. I think it’s the same penaulty as Lewis got but Max didn’t race further so it moved to the next race. And the 3 place drop is the lowest penaulty.

          4. @malrg

            Hamilton’s Silverstone sanction was harsher than the typical five-second time penalty handed down for collisions involving drivers. However Verstappen’s three-place grid drop is typically the smallest such penalty. Grid drops of less than three places are extremely rare, though Sergio Perez was given a one-place penalty last year at Mugello.

            My mistake – You are correct, they did have the option of a 1 place penalty. But generally I’m not seeing any disparity here.

        2. A little confusing as you are sort of agreeing that Alonso is right and it is a racing incident, but then saying the penalty is also right…which is it? racing incidents don’t get penalised.

        3. a 2x wdc whole still holds a grudge against lewis,who cant get over the fact rookie lewis finished above him in the championship.

        4. But to be fair a F1 driver, champion, or multiple champion’s opinion only weighs more heavily on F1 forums when we agree with their opinion. :)

          1. It is only a fair point when it agrees to one’s view :)

            Let’s wait and see when he clashes with alonso once, and see his opinion starts spinning 360 degrees on its axis :)

            If alonso comes wheel to wheel with max and they come together or bang wheels, we ll see who has a better agreeing point/view with max fans

        5. @chrischrill Alonso also said that the Silverstone incident was a racing incident.

          1. Alonso also said that the Silverstone incident was a racing incident.

            True. Some are selectively using his words here. Both for and against Lewis or Max.

        6. @chrischrill Not necessarily. Alonso has more experience, certainly. But he also has his own agenda. He also has a distorted view of what is normal and acceptable – drivers are frequently less concerned about the risks than many others involved in the sport, but that’s doesn’t always mean it’s the right call.

          I’m not saying it’s the wrong call (I would have tended to agree it was a racing incident, if it weren’t for the fact that the Silverstone crash wasn’t called that way), but I would be wary of considering Alonso’s opinion as beyond reproach.

        7. Michael (@freelittlebirds)
          15th September 2021, 3:14

          @chrischrill there’s a picture in the comments here showing that Max intentionally turned into Lewis – he’s pushing the wheel to the right and into Lewis’s car. So Alonso was unfortunately wrong.

      3. @noname Really?!?

        Can’t someone express an opinion simply because it is their opinion?

        1. Read his comment right below this one, that should tell you enough. A ton of projecting going on here.

      4. Or he just agrees with Alonso who isn’t exactly a rookie in this kind of situation. I would target my efforts into getting rid of these incredibly inadequate stewards. They are killing racing with their lack of keeping up to speed with the sports evolution. They really are too stupid to be in that room. There is a corner 1 and a corner 2. They judged the whole thing based on the entry into 1? Thats insufficient and leads to another decade of processional racing. Go do that somewhere else but not in F1 guys, come on. If you are still a junior then go steward junior series. Seriously, most of us would get fired if we were this inadequate in our jobs

        1. If your entry into the first turn in the chicane makes an accident at turn two of the chicane inevitable, then that’s what should be considered by the stewards.

          1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agwTDlThjww&t=413s

            Gio at 6:39. No problems here since the Ferrari gave the required space while still ending up ahead

      5. So no one is allowed to have a neutral view? Interesting.

        1. @neelv27

          Neutral view?? What is this? The 90s? hahaha

          Zero sum game mate.

  2. Verstappen did the same move against Massa as well in 2017 or 2018, shows you Max doesn’t learn at all. I really he never becomes WDC, he simply doesn’t deserve to be one.

    1. Max lacks race intelligence by the way.

      1. Looking at your responses here you seem to do some projection.

      2. I think its the other way around. And I am not alone in this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_tZNOkpPEM

        1. So basically: when you see the chicane as 1 corner, then Verstappen had to yield because he was not fully alongside at the outside, but when you consider the chicane as 2 corners, then Hamilton had to yield at turn 2, because Verstappen was more than half alongside on the inside. Both arguments make sense.

          1. @matthijs But that’s not how it works since the line is already determined on entering the chicane.

          2. @f1osaurus There are a great many people who think there is an unlimited supply of grip with which you can just change your line at any point, when racing as close to the limit as you can.

            There’s always a *bit* of room to adjust, but if Lewis could have turned tighter, wouldn’t he have taken the corner faster?

          3. @f1osaurus I am not sure if that’s ‘how it works’ in all cases (imagine a complex of corners), but indeed in this case that’s the stance the stewards took and I can agree with decision (not that it matters).

    2. Humm …. Hamilton did the same move on Maldonado in Valencia 2012 ….
      https://youtu.be/DL90jSPwOqE

      Doesn’t seem that he learns either :p

      When you post a comment like that, just remind yourself that Lewis is more experimented than Max.
      So he could have remembered what happened with Maldo, and that it cost him victory.

      He had more to loose here than Max.

      I’m neither a fan of Lewis or Max, but responsability doesnt work unilateraly.
      Both are responsible for this.

      1. It is quite a similar accident indeed. I felt back then that Maldonado should have been more wise and cut the chicane, because from the ‘body language’ of Hamilton it was clear that he wouldn’t leave any more room.

      2. It’s funny that you think a driver that has all four wheels off the track, who then returns to the track to punt another driver off is a similar scenario.

      3. That’s the incident as Giovinazi going off track and then crashing into Leclerc when coming back on track. Unsafe reentry.

        How is this relevant to Verstappen crashing into Hamilton while both are on track?

    3. Which is it? 2017 or 2018? Hard to rebute made up “facts” when your post is vague and fan based as opposed to fact based.

      1. It’s also completely false

        Maldonado left the track completely and then drove straight into LH because he did not want to be overtaken.

        You have to be idiotic to see this as somehow LH fault.

        Worst piece of ‘got you’ I have seen outside of Prost/Senna

        Until this weekend

  3. Why is it that every driver that has competed against lewis and lost against him seems to say the same thing that its just a racing Incident. Except i think for johnny herbet who called it as i ( and some others) saw it. Maybe they have it in for Lewis…

    1. Maybe they just have their own opinions and biases, just like everyone else?

    2. Well not every driver. Martin Brundle said and I quote “Max hasn’t done anything wrong there” (you can verify it in the official F1 highlights on YouTube, skip to 3 minutes and 8 seconds). He is pretty balanced and as far as I’m aware has never been anything other than glowing about both Hamilton and Verstappen.

      For the record, I’m a Williams fan and don’t particularly care who wins the WDC, as long as the battle carries on ebbing and flowing like it has been.

      1. @geemac Martin Brundle Is anti Hamilton as what. He immediadly has his opinion ready by claiming Verstappen did nothing wrong while Max did, Max crashed into Massa the exact same place back in 2017/‘18, shows you Max doesn’t learn from his mistakes. Martin Brundle, Crofty ane Paul Di Resta tried to cover Max big tome

        1. Martin Brundle Is anti Hamilton as what.

          Whaaaaat?!?!? Working for Sky and be anti Hamilton at the same time?!?! No chance.

        2. Looks for you that anyone who dare to criticize Hamilton is anti-hamilton.

          You know, people are not totally good or bad, nuances exist….

        3. Thank you for reminding me why I don’t comment on accidents involving championship contenders @noname.

          For future reference: Nuance and grey areas exist, please acknowledge this.

        4. Lol, thanks for this! Needed a good laugh this morning.

    3. Then there are a lot, mostly not British ex drivers who agree with Alonso.
      Maybe that tells something

      1. All F1 drivers besides Verstappen called the Silverstone incident a racing incident. Even and ex F1 driver like Albon did. Maybe that tells something?

        1. @f1osaurus

          Stop lying. Ricciardo clearly blamed Hamilton for Silverstone.

          https://clone.racefans.net/2021/07/18/hamilton-went-in-too-hot-in-verstappen-collision-ricciardo/

          Anyway, at the end of the day none of this would have happened, if Hamilton did not fail in Friday qualifying, or did not have an abysmal start in the Saturday sprint race which put him out of position.

          Monza should have been the easiest win imaginable for Hamilton. Mercedes is the dominant car, and Bottas starts from the back, but thanks to Hamilton’s mediocrity Verstappen ended up outscoring him by 2 points around a circuit where Mercedes is dominant.

          1. @kingshark Get lost

            Basically, it was a race incident.

    4. @Wayne Well said mate.

    5. Lewis has never been good at battling another car when it is close to his car performance. You remember him for flying by inferior cars and that got people all hyped up about Lewis, but just have a look when he is competing cars on similar level… not so good. So it seems logical the feedback is the same since he keeps lacking the same

      1. You’re kidding right? Hamilton is one of the best wheel to wheel racers the sport has seen. The problem is he pushes things to the limit, but doesn’t go over that.

        Instances with Max, Massa, Maldonado shows what happens when a hard but fair racer comes up against a bully or bad racer.

        Just go back and watch a lot of Hamilton’s battles against other drivers, and how many crashes that don’t happen.

        1. The essence of my narrative is the situation in which he doesn’t have significant overspeed. Plus he has been leading from the front for 6-7 years while the others all got a lot of practice overtaking in the F1.5. He’s rusty, that’s the outcome of the two get togethers. If he had been a bit more on the edge then both would have made both corners. Both corners held plenty of space Lewis twice decided not to use or was in the heat of the moment unable to use

          1. The essence of your logic is flawed for the fact that if Lewis drove conservatively, max would just either crash him of the exit of chicane or drive him of the road, max would no make the corner without going very wide, spin, crash or force ham off the road at the exit. There is no ifs, max wouldn’t make the corner, and in any of the scenerios as usual with max, either conceded the corner and crash. He doesn’t have any other driving style.

          2. That’s quite an assumption. You have more GPS data than us probably?

        2. Bri

          Instances with Max, Massa, Maldonado shows what happens when a hard but fair racer comes up against a bully or bad racer.

          Hard but fair racer? Not quite recently. Collided four times with another driver from the same team (coincidence?) in less than two years, being held mostly to blame in three of them.
          @mysticus

          The essence of your logic is flawed for the fact that if Lewis drove conservatively, max would just either crash him of the exit of chicane or drive him of the road

          If with “drove conservatively” you mean squeeze the other driver, then you’re pretty much right. He could have left more room probably without having to lose track position, at least having the chance to pounce through the outside at Rettifilo’s exit, as Max dived in a tricky spot of the track. If Lewis had really left plenty of room, Max would have been held fully to blame by the stewards, and not predominantly to blame. It was the same ruling applied for the Silverstone collision with roles reversed, for the record.

          1. @Mayrton & @rodewulf

            keep kidding yourself, you cant be serious, anytime anyone gives space to max he will drive them off the track, he did it a gazillion times, he either bumps people or drives them of track! that is not even debatable, it is the most factual fact of his career! he did it to everyone who came wheel to wheel with! he has done it so many times so blatantly, yet never given any significant penalty other than a tap on his wrist. this is the biggest problem which is feeding his ego, and thats why i believe he will be involved in (a) much more serious incident(s) over the years if they dont put a brake on it early enough… i think most of you blind fans never watched the same races or just used blinkers when you were watching

      2. 😂😂😂😂 you can’t be serious

    6. Or maybe the Hamilton fans have blinders on such that they only see Hamilton as being in the right no matter what.

      Personally, I’m glad the two clashed, it put Norris in a clear position to get a podium.

    7. Wayne

      Why is it that every driver that has competed against lewis and lost against him seems to say the same thing that its just a racing Incident.

      First: one thing has nothing to do with another. Alonso considered that Silverstone collision as racing incident as well, so how your stupid point stands now?
      Second: Alonso “lost” (109-109 in the 2007 WDC standings) so badly that the one scared of reliving the challenge of this rivalry at the same team was Hamilton actually. He either blocked or expressed unfavourable views on any better driver than Bottas (there were more than a few of those, for the record) to possibly join Mercedes after Rosberg’s retirement for years, whilst Alonso already have said many times that he would take the challenge against Hamilton and Verstappen in the same team, only for Lewis to make a dull face when asked about the perspective of them being team-mates again. Clearly Hamilton fears Alonso more than the opposite.

  4. There was potential for a little danger, with one car being on top on another at the end – but the racing itself was absolutely fine.

    The simple fact remains that when drivers aren’t leaving space for each other, there will inevitably be contact at some point.
    They both could have avoided it, but they didn’t.

    1. That’s not a fact, don’t make it sound like it is. Read what stewards said, they specifically mentioned where cars were at the entry to T1. Max was way behind, he had no business trying to get alongside Ham into T2 because physics would not have allowed him to make both corners. And when he tried he still wasn’t alongside. This isn’t one of those cases where you get alongside and you deserve to be given space.

      1. Except Max had much more grip, and Lewis was just out of the pits. He’s almost fully along-side around turn 1 so that doesn’t really hold up. Plenty of others gave room for that kind of side by side manoeuvre over the weekend especially in F2 and at the beginning of all the races, there is room there if you leave it.

        I can see why people think or want to make it someone’s fault or other, personally I think it’s very much a racing incident, but anyone saying it’s 100% obviously one drivers fault is really not looking objectively at the incident.

        1. nonsense,,lewis was ahead,,the overtake was never going to work..
          and why is it always the other driver whos expected to give max more room,or go off track to avoid a collision.
          if max was in lewis position,he wouldnt have given lewis any more room than what lewis gave him.
          max should have backed out of it,and gone off track to avoid contact,,like lewis did on lap 1,and a few other times this season.

          1. Nonsense. It’s racing, they are going to fight for track position. Neither gave room and both ended up in the gravel. Both of them could have avoided this but neither did. I was happy to see them retire, it gave NOR and RIC a far easier time at getting a 1-2.

          2. nonsense, in either case of giving room and not giving room, max was gonna crash/bump ham off the track! that was blatantly obvious from the 1st lap until the incident! and max wasnt trying an overtake, he was doing a classical kamikaze dive but this time he intended to crash in either lewis gave him room or not (lewis gives him room, max will bump/drive him off road running/spinning wide. lewis doesnt give him room, he crashed anyway) it was inevitable, esp after hearing his radio, it couldnt been more obvious and blatant than this. to top it off, he neither checked nor asked about his condition. this is pure hate. deny all you want.

      2. @ivan-vinitskyy The stewards are humans too – they interpret facts (and sporting regulations) just as individually as everyone else does. They’ve made mistakes before and they will in the future – that’s sport.

        I didn’t say anything about who had the right to be anywhere, and I didn’t reference any regulations….
        I’m saying that it’s physically impossible to have two cars on the same piece of track – it is necessary for at least one of them to leave space for the other, or there will be contact.
        Surely you can’t dispute that fact. Can you?

      3. Coventry Climax
        15th September 2021, 0:24

        @ivan-vinitskyy: ‘because physics would not have allowed him to make both corners’.
        The fact is, Verstappen did make that first corner, and without touching anything or anyone.
        Looking at the footage, it’s my belief he would have made the second too. At those speeds that would never, ever have been an issue. Why he didn’t make the corner is because the rear wheels touched. Rear wheels can only touch when the cars are ‘significantly’ (dumb, pointless word, I use it ironically here) alongside one another. Compare that to the Silverstone incident, where Hamilton’s front hit Verstappens rear.
        Simple physics should tell you that that is only possible if cars are significantly (same thing) not alongside one another.

    2. Michael (@freelittlebirds)
      14th September 2021, 13:59

      No it’s not acceptable racing – no driver should seek a collision on every corner with another driver. The FIA cannot allow that to happen.

      Here’s the flaw to your argument. If every driver on the grid sought a collision and drove aggressively on Lap 1, no one would make it past turn 1. If no driver yielded and tried to win the position on every turn, we’d never get to turn 2 of any race.

      1. I didn’t make any argument that drivers should be allowed or encouraged to deliberately cause a collision @freelittlebirds.

        If no driver yielded and tried to win the position on every turn, we’d never get to turn 2 of any race.

        Right. That’s why I said:

        when drivers aren’t leaving space for each other, there will inevitably be contact at some point.

        1. Michael (@freelittlebirds)
          14th September 2021, 15:21

          Look, we all know what dangerous driving is or we should. A friendly shoulder check on Lap 1 is one thing. Making your car wide on a corner is another thing. As long as it’s controlled and the drivers respect each other, they will drive well.

          We can all see the measures to which Lewis goes to set up flawless overtakes against fast cars. We can also see that Verstappen is never yielding and looking for a collision. It’s one thing to like a driver and be a fan and you’re certainly entitled to that, it’s another to just ignore this type of reckless driving.

          Like I said, if everyone drove like Verstappen, we’d have multiple fatalities each season and races would end on Turn 2. There’s no argument anyone can make that will justify that.

          1. It’s one thing to like a driver and be a fan and you’re certainly entitled to that, it’s another to just ignore this type of reckless driving.

            Are you talking to me @freelittlebirds, or yourself? You’ve made no secret of your devotion to Hamilton.
            I, on the other hand, couldn’t care less about either of them. Drivers don’t interest me, only car racing.
            I saw a racing incident that Hamilton could have avoided every bit as much as Verstappen could.

            There wouldn’t be any more fatalities than there are now – but let’s look back to Silverstone to see who sent who flying off the track at high speed, shall we?
            Of course, you don’t believe that Hamilton did anything wrong there, do you…

          2. I need to get a pair of those Hamilton blinders for the next race, maybe then I can follow your line of thinking. So glad that it’s the minority of the Ham fans that think and reason as you.

            You talk like every clash has been on Verstappen, facts dictate otherwise. How many penalty points do each have for their driving errors?

            I put the blame on their pit stops, it is what put the two close together in the first place. Had they each pitted and had a normal stop, Ham would have been too far behind Ver to matter. Both had slow stops, Ver being much slower. Neither was going to win the race with the McLarens out front anyway.

          3. @freelittlebirds

            Like I said, if everyone drove like Verstappen, we’d have multiple fatalities each season and races would end on Turn 2.

            And driving like Lewis too, remember he caused a 51g collision at Silverstone (of course you remember, it just doesn’t fit your narrative). He was found predominantly to blame by the stewards just like Max has been at Monza.

          4. Michael (@freelittlebirds)
            15th September 2021, 2:15

            @dbHenry I put the blame on their pit stops

            I rest my case… How can we hold the pit stops accountable for a driver’s errors.

          5. As someone used to see drivers die during races each year if everyone drives as Max i think we get a hell of a racing season without any casualties.

            I will tell you a story:
            As a Lewis and Nico fan (because they did make overtakes back then) I became less and less interested in F1 (DRS overtakes, only rain races were the only fun ones) and in 2012-2013 i was on the point to say goodbye to F1. Till a good friend said there were new talentS coming so i was watching carting a lot then and in 2014 Max came into F3 confirming his talent and hearing he was accepted into F1 my interrest was renewed again.
            Without Max i would never came back to F1 and wouls miss out on Lando, George and the rest of the new guard.

          6. @macleod

            Good lord

            What would we have done without another banger racing fan…

          7. @freelittlebirds

            I rest my case… How can we hold the pit stops accountable for a driver’s errors.

            It was a factor, just like sausage kerbs. You and the rest of LH44 troop dishonestly concluded that Max intentionally crashed into Lewis exactly because of failing to consider the effect those have in racing. It’s easy to lose control of the car over them in certain situations, like colder tyres in a fight for track position. Which is not an excuse for Max because probably he’d be fully to blame for such unintentional collision, despite holding full responsibility on it. However, the fact that Lewis squeezed Max is what makes his share of blame as well, which the stewards judged as a smaller one. He should either had closed the door completely before the corner and not lured Max into that gap (maybe it was part of his strategy, but it backfired) or pounced back at the exit of Rettifilo, as he’d have better traction. But given that both Max and Lewis are opting to a ragged style of racecraft lately, some incident of this type was bound to happen again.

          8. @drgraham I like racing not crashing so i am not a Maldanado or Romein fan. As you noticed i am much older then most on this site and i am still hang on the 1960-1969 with the little sigars cars :)

            But if you think i am the only one your mistaken most are silent and just read news (everything) and they will complain to me :) but my friends around my age are really fans of drivers like Whining Lewis, Super Max, runoff Michiel, Senna, Jackie, Jack and my favorite Lotus 33 with Jim. (And Nigel Mansell) but not Damon Hill but his father Graham Hill very much

      2. @freelittlebirds Here’s the flaw in your argument. No driver ‘seeks a collision’ at every corner. That’s utter rhetoric. You’re not fooling anyone into thinking Max ‘seeks collisions.’ It’s just your favourite phrase of the moment. Max does exactly what LH does, as have many other drivers. At some point you are allowed to squeeze a car and force him to either back off, go off, or get hit. We have seen that go unpunished more times than we have seen it punished. Max is no more guilty of ‘seeking collisions’ than LH or many other drivers. “Multiple fatalities?” Just stop with your nonsense, you’re only embarrassing yourself.

        “If everyone drove like Verstappen…” lol well LH does and he’s had a lot more incidents of it than Max due to his much longer career. One could argue Max learned this from LH and his non-penalties for doing exactly the same thing. I guess you think they should not be racing at all, or at least that no close incident should go unpunished, for F1 and FIA has proven time and time again through non-penalties that it is fine to squeeze a car wide and force their hand into going wide, backing off, or being hit. If that is too risky or ‘life-threatening’ for you, then perhaps F1 is not the sport for you.

        1. Michael (@freelittlebirds)
          14th September 2021, 16:00

          @robbie

          You’re not fooling anyone into thinking Max ‘seeks collisions.’

          Convincing a person of something logical is not easy – believe me. It’s a lot easier to convince with passion and theatrics.

          1. LOL !! Thanks for that !!

            You have to actually USE logic instead of personal opinion if you are trying to convince someone of something logical. Your passion for Hamilton never making a mistake isn’t using logic.

          2. It seems its time to let those little birds fly.
            Your thoughts are as caged as your birds.

          3. Michael (@freelittlebirds)
            14th September 2021, 18:27

            Yeah, as expected, the usual suspects have misunderstood the comment. Hardly surprising:-)

            It’s a deep statement.

            Give it some time to sink in. Ask me next year and I’ll explain…

    3. They both could have avoided it, but they didn’t.

      Seriously? Why should Hamilton dive out of the way for Verstappen when Verstappen is coming from behind?

      So no he shouldn’t have to jump out of the way just because Verstappen wants to crash through him. If Verstappen wants to overtake he needs to be at least fully alongside at corner entry.

  5. Did the wheel make contact with the helmet? Confused now as the article states “passing close”

    1. Yes it did. Gave him quite the knock on the head when you look at the pictures. His head is forced very far fwd by the impact of the tyre on his helmet. Tge edge of the tyre gets inside the halo due to the angle of Max car. Luckily both were ok.

      1. Thanks. I’ve not seen anything conclusive other than what LH said.

    2. @blik the article is incorrect, as it has been confirmed that Hamilton’s helmet was struck by Verstappen’s rear wheel. To that end, Hamilton is being sent to a medical consultant between the Italian and Russian GPs to review whether he has possibly suffered from a neck injury as a result.

      1. Genuine question, how was it confirmed? Not lazy as I have kept an eye out for evidence.

        1. @blik I believe it was from the FIA’s own onboard cameras and monitoring systems, as the FIA is conducting its own investigation into the accident to determine how effective the halo was and whether there are further improvements that could be made.

        2. See skyf1 page or F1.com. There are still pictures of the tyre on top of his head forcing him forward.

      2. Hamilton is being sent to a medical consultant

        His fysio, like after every other race. He, like all F1 drivers has his own fysio.
        They already took care of a brace for the dramatic entrance during the steward meeting.
        But I am glad he is okay as shown during the incident when he kept trying to free the car even with a walking verstappen on track.
        Very irresponsible, but probably the panic.

        1. erikje, Lewis was referred to a neck specialist as well (just not as an emergency).

        2. with a walking verstappen on track.
          Very irresponsible, but probably the panic.

          Agreed what is wrong with Verstappen walking across the track like that. Must have been the panic. Trying to walk off the shame of blundering into another car again.

          There was a gap in the fence right ahead of him.

          1. @f1osaurus

            Trying to walk off the shame of blundering into another car again.

            Still better than to celebrate a dirty win after taking out his rival in a huge crash. And still fully blaming Max for the collision he was the main responsible for! This is well within the definition of lacking shame.

    3. My wife made an interesting comment: It’s a good thing this wasn’t one of the taller drivers. There are several whose heads sit much higher than Lewis’. Lewis’ head got hit, so it would have been worse for a taller driver.

      That said, it’s great how well the Halo has done with incidents like this. It was mainly designed to stop a flying wheel hitting the cockpit from the front, so it’s pretty amazing it handles so many situations it wasn’t really designed for so well.